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Season 8, Episode 17 - The End in Friend

Discussion in 'Episode Discussion' started by Bridle Timeout, 10 August 2018.

  1. Bridle Timeout

    Bridle Timeout I Love Twilight Sparkle

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    Raridash by Hidden-Cat
    Air Date: 11th August 2018 (Australia) / 18th August (Discovery Family)

    Synopsis: Rarity and Rainbow Dash begin to question why they are friends when they can't find anything they both like to do together.

    Australia and New Zealand are continuing their trend of being at the forefront of airing new pony episodes, so I figured I should get a thread up. :p

    Anyway, this sounds like this might be a nice slice of life type episode. :)
     
  2. Loganberry

    Loganberry Element of Custard

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    Interesting team-up, too. I don't think we've had that one since "Rarity Investigates!" back in S5, have we?

    I'm a little iffy about the synopsis, though. It sounds like something that would fit better much earlier in their friendship, not eight seasons in. We shall see!
     
  3. moody magpie

    moody magpie One shall stand, one shall fall.

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    Well stone the crow's another early episode from the land down under. (Seriously what is it with this season and early/leaked episodes?) Anyway we have a rare Dash and Rarity episode written by G M Berrow. So how did this one fair?
    This was a nice solid slice of life episode which as Logan said should been a season two one rather than a season eight. The chemistry with RD and Raity was good and I can see the YouTuber Raritydash enjoying this one. If I had one nitpick it would be I could see what was going to happen at the end a mile away. Overall a nice if unspectacular episode which I place second so far in the second half of the season 7.5/10.
     
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  4. Danishbrony2011

    Danishbrony2011 Honorary Pony

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    I agree.
     
  5. Robshi

    Robshi Young Dragon

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    Another early episode? It seems no episode is debuting the day it is meant to this season.

    I'm not sure why Twi needed Rarity and Dash to come into her lesson to talk about their friendship since the students already know who they are. Wouldn't talking about what they've done been enough? It was also amusing to see her insist on having the students watch their time together, including the descent into a big fight with her laughable excuses and cover ups.

    It's interesting to see Dash and Rarity have a fall out. Usually it's AJ fighting with Rarity, and it seems odd its taken this long to highlight the differences between Dash and Rarity when Rarijack has had so much focus.

    Heh, I guess Starlight Glimmer isn't being bored as councillor today. I'd have loved to see her expression when the pair came in and started explaining their issues.

    A little book club? A shame Twi wasn't involved... but it is doomed to failure anyway. Interesting to see Rarity's favourite novel mentioned again so soon. Trust her to enjoy all the focus on the clothes in it.

    A claw print? Spike obviously stole it and this is obviously a set up... and I'm right. Yay.

    Wait... Rainbow Dash can't fly over the bog because of the geysers, but a raft can sail right between them? Dash, you are a Wonderbolt right? How can you not fly through a huge gap like that?

    Despite a few flaws, this was another solid episode. The interactions between Rarity and Rainbow Dash, along with fun moments with Twilight and Starlight made this a fun enough episode that the problems didn't drag this down too much.
     
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  6. CuldeeFell

    CuldeeFell Ponies Rock

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    I've been looking forward to this one since I read the synopsis, and even though I haven't seen the last two episodes yet, I made time for this one. Was it worth it?

    Yeah, mostly. It wasn't the greatest or deepest thing ever, but it had a typical G. M. Berrow solidity to it. The fact that the whole "theft" was all a set up to get the two of them talking again was very predictable, and as @Robshi mentioned Rainbow Dash not being able to fly over the swamp was a little contrived. Rarity and Rainbow Dash declaring early on that they weren't friends any more was too. I'd have thought that after all they'd been through they wouldn't declare their friendship over that easily. And even if they did feel that way, I'd have thought they'd have been a little more circumspect in what they said in front of the students.

    Speaking of the students, they were pretty solid. It gave a nice place to kick off the conflict that the students are questioning R and RD's friendship in a way they've never done themselves. I can honestly buy that. It makes sense to me that R and RD have never really questioned their friendship before, but when they're off together they struggle to find things to do together.

    I was interested to see the magical artefacts from Twilight's spell-venger hunt appearing again. (Unless they appeared in the last couple of episodes and I missed it.) Possibly setting them up for a Season finale appearance? I've not read the synopsis for that, so no spoilers.

    A paragraph for Starlight Glimmer in her guidance councillor role, if I may. She was really good here. The "read each other's books" thing was a nice idea to try to get them talking again (even if it didn't work). She was great in this episode.

    What was also great was once again seeing an episode about a clash between two members of the Mane SIx. Very Season One in style there, and one of the main reasons I like the show in the first place. We haven't had an episode like this since... (checks episode list) ok, since "Non- Complete Clause" earlier this season, but that was rubbish. Unlike that episode, I didn't feel Rarity and Rainbow Dash had to revert to their Season One states to enable the conflict here. For the most part their behaviour here was very believable. So overall, a nice solid episode.
     
  7. Recurrent Trotting

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    pika! I mean nice combo but it was a shame about the story 7/10

    ep had some real drama in it, which was nice to see. I didn't think they'd end the friendship over it ofc but they went pretty darn far D: has been a while since there's been this much friendship tension in an ep.

    Tabitha and Ashleigh were great in this ep. Both Rares and Dashie are great at expressing peevishness and anger and they gave us some great lines

    in terms of the story though, the conflict felt as forced as the solution (which was literally forced :p ). The buckball vs shopping part of the ep can be added to the list of stories where the conflict requires characters to forget what they know about each other (eg For Whom Sweetie-Belle Tolls) which must be a feature of long-running kiddie series I guess... but it's a shame to see Pony do it. (Some not-as-kiddie cartoons like Steven Universe are ridiculously good at avoiding that). It'd be great to see the conflict be more like Honest Apple where AJ understandably stepped on Rarity's hooves because she thought she was meant to be being honest.

    But what really gnarled me was that this was a great opportunity for Dashie-Rares backstory and I didn't get it! How good would it be if the real solution was to remember how they met and got on in the first place? Hoofing through old photos of the first day Dash came to Ponyville and Rares was all 'oh my stars a rough and tumble blue pegasi!' and Dashie was all 'this 'corn is crazy' but Fluttershy got them to see past their differences.



    :D that was so silly
     
  8. CuldeeFell

    CuldeeFell Ponies Rock

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    On second thoughts...
    I think the idea there was supposed to be that the raft was big and heavy enough to go straight over the geysers, and it didn't matter if it got hit by one. Not that it looked particularly solid mind you.
     
  9. Robshi

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    I figured that was what the writer intended, but the animators should've put more geysers in the swamp instead of letting the raft sail right between two of them.
     
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  10. Streamline

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    Felt like going back a few seasons but with the added student 6 in tow.

    There is only so much of Rarity and Dash shouting you can take and this was full if it. It just felt really basic and on par with something out of an earlier season.

    I didn't get the whole student 6 observations thing. Of course that would make their day out awkward. Why not Twi cast a spell so they could observe from the school without actually being there and RD and Rare not being aware of it?

    Top marks for Starlight and the sarcastic remarks, on form.

    Very simple plot, obviously Twi and Co were being the amulet search.
     
  11. Candy Yunagi

    Candy Yunagi Wishes she could be a cat

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    I'd been looking forward to this one for a while.

    I had hoped for something more nuanced about them trying (and failing) to find something in common without arguing, eventually doubting their friendship for that reason, but I think this worked. It did seem ike they went back a few seasons, but the whole point of the episode is that they haven't actually spent much time getting to know each other. They've been around each other, but always with at least one of the mane six there, with a couple of exceptions, of course. Declaring their friendship over was quite immature for where they are now, though, like the CMC in Surf/Turf. Maybe something more like what Pinkie said to Twiight in the Movie would've been more appropriate. Still a bit much, but Dash is quite irritable, and Rarity is a drama queen.

    Starlight had another good episode, once again showing why she's the guidance counsellor. Having them share books was a pretty good idea, and I kinda feel like it should've worked. Sending them on a combined Daring Do/Shadow Spade adventure was a clever solution, forcing them to appreciate both aspects. It would've also been a nice touch if Rarity had deduced that it was a set up before it was revealed. That wooden door had Twilight written all over it. Literally.

    I did have alot of fun with the massive amount of continuity. My personal favourite example is Rainbow freaking out over glitter on her hooves, which are very sensitive. Maybe they're not so different. Which brings me to the other thing they have in common, which I would've liked to see mentioned: Rainbow's other guilty pleasure of spa treatments. I do like how Applejack, Rarity and Rainbow Dash form a kind of strange triangle of opposites. These two are the only such pair we probably don't see enough of.

    Rarity should talk to Quibble Pants about the action sequences in Daring Do books...
     
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  12. Mane25

    Mane25 Honorary Pony

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    Felt like it had many of the flaws that Non-Complete Clause had, but was saved by having a lot more substance and better writing. It may go a bit against character development, but I enjoyed Rarity and RD's interaction, so I'm not going to be critical.

    Take away the Student Six and it would have made a solid S1 or S2 episode. I did question whether the student six were really necessary in the episode, but thinking about it in effect they're a stand-in for the role Twilight would have played if it was a S1 episode. In S1 Twilight would have learnt the lesson about differences between friends and their resolution and written to Princess Celestia about it; now the Student Six have that role. I thought that was interesting.
     
  13. Oilyvalves

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    I have very mixed feelings about this one, but overall I think I enjoyed it.

    It's great getting these 2 paired up again after their previous outing in Rarity Investigates (one of my fav eps). During both the early and late parts of this episode their interactions were lovely. And their making up scene, if inevitable, was rather heartfelt.

    The middle part, I wasn't keen on. They fell out and argued a whole bunch because the script said they had to. Way too forced for me. It particularly pains me to see Rainbow lumped with a regressive story twice in the same season (Non Compete Clause).

    Thankfully, Starlight played a magnificent role during those segments. She really rocks in her guidance councilor role. I did unfortunately guess the culprit of the theft early on, but wouldn't call it obvious or put the episode down because of that.

    The students' constant note-taking made me crack a smile a few times, but otherwise Twilight's lesson side story didn't interest me much.
     
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  14. Steamworks

    Steamworks Active Pony

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    Here we go

    I kinda wanna know what uniform Dash is wearing. Doesn't look very 'Bolty.

    Wow, Gallus. They've only saved the world together a bunch of times. Pretty good reason for a couple of ponies to bond.

    Oh, hey Brae, what brings you to Ponyville? Just buckball?

    Those are quite possibly the worst boots I've seen in FiM yet.

    And those gems are pretty fragile.

    I want to see this hat that was big enough to ruin a Wonderbolts show.

    The book thing is a pretty good idea.

    The Amulet of Aurora? Why haven't we heard of this before?

    The boat is pretty clever of Rarity. She's not usually the kind to rough it.

    Cloud toothpaste? I'll allow it.

    Is this Twi's Fortress of Solitude?

    Aww, I was hoping it'd be a "Speak friend and enter" nod.

    Minus the friendship school, I think this would've been better way back in S1/S2.
     
  15. Blissful690

    Blissful690 New Pony

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    Actually, the Amulet of Aurora was previously mentioned in A Matter of Principals.
     
  16. Loganberry

    Loganberry Element of Custard

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    I wasn't a massive fan of this one, largely because the central conflict didn't feel natural at all. I can accept Scoots and Sweetie having a silly argument in "Surf and/or Turf" because they're the equivalent of young teenagers. But grown mares like Rainbow and Rarity doing the "we're not friends any more" bit -- and staying in that mood for much longer than the Crusaders did -- didn't really come across as convincing at all.

    I enjoyed having these two together, as they're not commonly paired, some of the adventuring was fun, Starlight was as watchable as usual and I enjoyed Twilight's side plot with the Student Six. I wasn't a fan of the Bufogren (sp?) which like the bunyip back in S6 just seemed to have been plonked down in Equestria for no real reason other than "Hey, silly monster". It was also a bit absurd that the very obvious School of Friendship logo on the final door was totally missed by both Rares and RD.

    It wasn't as bad as "Non-Compete Clause", but this was definitely not one of my favourites this season.
     
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  17. Cloudane

    Cloudane Element of Mostly Excessive Verbosity

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    adorable cloud.jpg

    *blush*
    I try...


    Whilst a little bit season 1 ish (the element of Loyalty gives up on an 8+ year friendship? Please :p) it asks a perfectly fair question - just why would they want to hang out together as a pair? Well, I guess we find out.

    Will admit, I'm (and I dare say to some extent others in my group of friends) guilty of the same thing, i.e. being terrible for wanting to do MY thing and not tolerant enough of what others want to do. Only rather than arguing it just tends to mean we don't do a great deal together ^^' It doesn't help that over here in the human universe work takes up a ton of time and the weekend is precious. So you look forward to doing X and not want to do your mate's thing Y. It's a very relevant friendship lesson right there ^^

    Kind of odd seeing pony Rarity trying on the shoes her EQG form uses. Odd seeing horses in heels in general XD

    Very heartwarming towards the end as you see them just naturally drift back into enjoying each others' company <3
    That after all, is what it's all about.

    Simple, enjoyable, bread and butter FiM right there.
     
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